On Politics: A Love Story, host Bob Bushansky speaks with two authors, Kay Whitlock and Nancy A Heitzeg, about their new book Carceral Con: the Deceptive Terrain of Criminal Justice Reform. They have spent years researching the many attempts at criminal justice reform only to find that not only did the reforms not work, they often made things worse.
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Here is the supplementary interview for Politics: A Love Story October 1st, 2021